What follows is a direct transcript used with permission, of
an interview I conducted with John Lear, author of Lear.txt in
the files section. Hopefully, this interview will answer some
of your questions as well as some of mine. Brad Langton 02-Feb-88
approx. 1:30AM to 3:30AM Ok, we're "live"
so to speak... you just mentioned that there were 70 other species
in contact with this world... of which 4 others were overt...are
they aware of the EBE's? Yes they are. The types I will
mention are listed in a USAF Academy Physics book called Introductory
Space Science Volume 2. I refer to Chapter 13 about page 8 which
lists the ones that are most seen. They are the EBE's the "blondes".
(also called the Nordics). They look just like us but are invariably
blonde haired and blue eyed. Don't know where they come from
but they do not interact with us except for a few abductions
now and then. We also have a species that is similar to
us in appearance but they are about 7 ft tall and the main difference
is that their eyes wrap around the head a little more than ours.
Another type listed is a small species about 4 ft. tall, very
hairy and extremely strong for their size. We don't know where
these guys come from either. All this was in the aforementioned
text which was withdrawn by the Air Force in the early 70's from
the book. But there are several people that have the original
book. The EBE's are about the only ones where we are pretty sure
where they come from and that is Zeta Reticuli 1 &
2, a binary star system visible only from the southern hemisphere,
spectral class of G 2 and 38 light years from here. It is possible
that they use some form of the Einstein Rosen Bridge theory (wormholes
in space) to get here. We know all this from the work that Marjorie
Fish did in the in the early 70's. There is a good article about
it in Astronomy Magazine Dec 1974. There was also a reprint of
this article in 1976 which had all the comments and rebuttals
and rebuttals to rebuttals by Carl Sagan, Bob Schaefer etc etc.
I remember reading about the characterizations of ET's
that you have described about 25 years ago. I also recall a book
by a George Adamski or Adamson... not sure which, regarding these
golden haired aliens. In the Interrupted Journey, I believe it
was Betty Hill that under hypnosis revealed many of the invasive
techniques used on abductees. Also, Perhaps it was in the article
on the Zeti Reticuli Incident that a woman under hypnosis reconstructed
a 3D model of the Zeta Star system with the relative positions
of the other stars as they would have appeared as established
by computer modeling. I guess one of the primary questions is,
if there are other forms visiting and/or interacting with humans,
are they completely insensitive to these "arrangements"
put out by the EBE's with the government? This may be
hard to swallow but its my information from government sources
that the blondes adhere to a universal law of non- interference
and even though the EBE's are not doing us any favors that they,
the Blondes will not do anything about it unless the EBE's do
something that will affect another part of the universe. Back
to Adamski. He has been labeled as a fraud however like all things
nothing is all black or all white. Some of his stuff was true.
But its hard to separate which stuff. He claimed that the Blondes
came from Venus or Mars which is highly, highly unlikely. As
far as the map it was drawn by Betty Hill under hypnosis in 2
D. It was Majorie Fish that did the interpretation to bring it
into 3 D. I was uncertain about who exactly was the
originator of the map, so I gather that the map must necessarily
be a matter of speculation regarding its veracity as well. I'm
curious also as to the government's plans, if any, to deal with
an uprising of EBEs should that eventuality occur... or would
the technological gap make such an attempt untenable.
It's my understanding that we have already lost the battle. This
is the reason why MJ-12 is in such a panic. They had a lot of
well laid plans to inform us etc. etc. and when the deception
was confirmed about 1984 it was all out the window. Back to Betty
Hill for a minute...under hypnosis she recalled being given a
pregnancy test...a needle was inserted in her stomach. She recalls
saying that this was no pregnancy test here on earth (1962)
Amniocentesis was developed around 1972-1973 and uses the exact
same procedures. In 1986 a British doctor had given an amniocentesis
to a woman and was looking at the fluid under a microscope. He
saw a tiny speck and started enlarging it. When he got it big
enough to see what he found was what looked like a computer chip
attached to one of the chromosomes. This doctor and 6 others
wrote an open letter in Nature Magazine, one of Britains' most
respected scientific journals, along with a picture of the chip,
and asked any doctor or scientist anywhere that could held explain
what they were seeing. If you do not have a copy of this page,
I can send it to you. That would be helpful. Also the
Vol, issue, date etc. Recently in the INF treaty negotiations,
Gorbachev indicated that despite prior claims, they too were
working on an SDI program... Is there any connection between
our program and theirs and if the battle is lost, why are these
attempts being made? I wish I knew the answer to that.
Several rumors have come out of the test site recently and one
of them was that every test shot this year has been to make a
giant room. The shots are very clean and as soon as everything
subsides they move in equipment to make walls, ceiling, floors
and various levels. Several critics have highlighted
the apparent discrepancies between our medical technology and
that of the EBEs as to synthesizing plasma material. Also, technological
gaps between our cultures suggest that solicitation of indigenous
humans for their undertakings seems akin to asking help from
chimpanzees... my analogy... what about these concerns?
All of these questions are valid and show a lot of thought. All
I know is what I wrote. Its very hard to speculate the reasons
why or why not a species almost a billion years older than us
would do anything. This is not a cop-out...I just don't know
and don't want to guess. Given that material that you
have access to is ambiguous on some of these issue and that there
may be a hidden agenda on the part of the EBEs regarding the
purposes for their being here, is it not also possible that,
assuming there is a "truth" here, which I'm sure you
understand, must remain unsubstantiated in the absence of hard
data, that the government may also, unknown to you or perhaps
others "in the know," a failsafe mechanism to undermine
this whole EBE project if the need should arise? Its my
understanding from those 'in the know;' (and as late as one week
ago) that the situation is 'ominous'. <<< LONG PAUSE
>>> Please understand my pauses... have to
consider the next question... Ok, meantime looking for
the date and issue of Nature. I recall now, one of
my users requested information on the "Roswell Incident"
and if it were in any way tied to any of this? Yes, the
Roswell crash was the first recovered flying saucer crash in
the U.S. Bill Moore located 90 material witnesses to the crash.
It was near Corona, N.M. and a few months ago I interviewed Mrs.
Procter near whose ranch this thing crashed. 4 bodies were recovered.
There is one person still alive at this moment who helped Mac
Brazel drag some of the wreckage to the shed. He and Brazel were
approached at that time by (I know its hard to believe but the
guy is going to come forward soon) an alien who told them both
to keep their mouths shut. He is the last guy alive that was
directly connected with that retrieval. Are you saying
that the others involved were murdered? No. No. They have
just passed away. That was a long time ago. The last guy to die
was Maj. Jesse Marcel, The intelligence officer at Roswell who
went out and helped pick up the wreckage. Before he died a few
years ago he went public with his account which was that the
crash was not a balloon or a radar reflector or an airplane.
He didn't state what it was, but said it was not of this earth.
I have a transcript of the cassette tape of his memories of picking
up the wreckage, its only a page long if you would like me to
send that. Of course, any information you have will
be helpful... What of yourself, why are you coming forward now,
particularly placing the spotlight on yourself... aren't you
concerned that there may be some sort of repercussions from the
government regarding the stir this is and will continue to cause?
Hopefully the spotlight will be on the information and
not on myself. No there is not too much worry because, well let
me say that 5 years ago I wouldn't have gotten away with this
but things are so screwed up now that one voice talking to...what
50? 100? people can't make any possible difference. Also if something
was going to happen it would have happened a few weeks ago. I
wrote Dr. Lew Allen, Director of JPL and MJ-12 member that I
was going to do a story on his participation in MJ-12 particularly
because JPL employed 8000 people in the Southern California area.
I also enclosed a copy of my hypothesis and told him it was on
ParaNet and CompuServe. Dr. Allen has a reputation of responding
to all mail in a very prompt manner. But me? I didn't hear anything.
Not even a "John Lear you must be crazy." He wrote
a letter to Max Fiebleman of Los Angeles on the 18th of December.
Max had sent him a copy of the Hudson Valley video and asked
Dr. Allen to look at it. Dr. Allen responded that he had taken
a quick glance but did not have the time for anything more and
on the basis of what he saw determined that it was a blimp. He
also wished Max a Merry Christmas. Now......this is one of the
worlds greatest scientists? Not interested in that Hudson Valley
video tape? Gimme a break. There are certainly a lot
of inconsistencies seemingly from everywhere on this issue. As
you know, Jim Speiser and ParaNet are often published in some
form, usually a quote from Jim, in the major UFOlogy magazines...
I would suspect that this matter will be reaching a lot more
people than just those of us here in the BBS community. What
of the future...can we expect more information, hard or soft
evidence that will help align the apparent inconsistencies or
at best, give a more cohesive picture of some of the answers
to questions that your original release has raised? I
would be very surprised if some kind of statement from the government
is not forthcoming within the year, more probably within 6 months
possibly much sooner... That's about all I can speculate from
the information I am getting. Well, you can be assured
that we will be continuing to watch these developments should
they occur. Last year there was a similar promise of major information
by year's end... you got in just under the wire but the other
information was not this information, at least not necessarily
as coming from you. Time is running short for me here and I want
to thank you for incurring the phone bill for this interview
but I think it is important that we try to get as many answers
on this as possible. Do you have any closing statements that
you would like to make at this time? Just to thank you
for your time and I will be sending you the aforementioned documents
etc. Thank you very much John, your participation will
no doubt add a level of credibility to your desire to spare little
expense in helping us find the truth about all this. Thanks
again, and talk to you later. <<>> Copyright @1988
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